we thought it might come over susan rice. it's now going to come over chuck hagel. he carried over george w. bush's defense secretary, bob gates, put his former rival at the state department. here is a guy who doesn't face re-election. he wants his team, people he's comfortable with. he wants people he's like-minded with and decided i'm going to have my guys in the second term. if i have to get a little bruised up to get them, i'll do it. >> their bond kind of goes back to iraq, being two senators who ended up opposing the war. and i think they became close. >> they traveled to iraq. >> don't forget they -- they traveled to the middle east together. and i think there's something else that if you talk to people in the administration, this is a president who believes that chuck hagel will not be intimidated by those generals. and that was very important, i remember, as barack obama went through the process of deciding what to do in afghanistan. he ended up going for the surge, but he went through this -- remember that whole long strategic review of afghanistan? one of